Somebody remarked: ‘I can tell by my own reaction to it that this book is harmful.’ But let him only wait and perhaps one day he will admit to himself that this same book has done him a great service by bringing out the hidden sickness of the heart and making it visible- Frederich Nietzsche
Kim has a great post up about blaming. She focuses on eating disorders, but it got me to thinking more about porn.
And I’ve been dwelling on Vera’s comment on a previous post: “I fail to see what could possibly be good about promoting these things - good for anything but reinforcing misogyny, eroticizing sexual assault and rape, and further fucking up our attitudes toward sex.”
I think violent porn’s not necessarily promoting something good, but it still serves a purpose. Porn’s been around since way back. It seems it must serve some necessary purpose in this world beyond promoting misogyny. I think part of the appeal is to show ourselves the darkness of human nature.
Images that unsettle a faction of society will prevail as long as evil itself exists. As I said previously, porn doesn’t create evil, but merely reflects the nefarious nature of humanity. As Nietzsche says of other types of audio and visuals, it “forces us to gaze into the horror of individual existence, yet without being turned to stone by the vision.” Good and evil together are present in media because they are present in us. Nietzsche, and later on Freud, asserted that instincts that do not discharge themselves outwardly turn inward and eventually erupt in harmful ways. This implies that guiding malevolent ideas into media or artistic expression may prevent harm being directly inflicted on citizens. It’s different from catharsis theory in which watching violence reduces violence. This idea suggests that the violent urge is better vented into writing, painting, acting, producing, etc., than elsewhere. Evil will always be present and will find its way to expression creatively or destructively.
Even if porn is offensive, you can’t argue that it gets pretty creative.
I commented somewhere that porn is enticing not just in an erotic sense, but also as a freak show curiosity. We’re drawn to unsettling images out of a deep familiarity with the theme, possibly enticed by the representations that have privately festered in our own sub-conscious. The type of offense expressed in a particular medium might be significantly different over generations, yet some form of evil is still present. Public agitation is caused by subjective ideas of evil particular to the time. Often what a group feels is evil, was formerly determined to be good or the reverse.
As a teenager, shortly after recovering from a yeast infection, I got a sore throat that just wouldn’t go away. I asked my doctor if it’s possible that I got the yeast infection in my throat through oral sex. She snapped, “WHAT have your been DOING?” Now oral sex is perfectly acceptable. So the porn industry looks for the next big deal, the new shocker. Regardless of specific concepts, visual illuminations of our darker side help us to accept that hidden, timeless part of ourselves and others.
To a certain extent, societies create morality. Morals aren’t constant, universal; they shift from place to place and over time. Objectionable visuals can help to define morality in specific communities. Porn pushes on societal boundaries, but society pushes back to hold firm to the limits that are truly necessary. Boundaries that move indicate actions that are not evil in essence, but merely by interpretation. I remember being shocked the first time I heard the word “dumbass” used on prime-time TV in That 70s Show. Now it’s part of the acceptable lexicon in many places. Profanity that was once shocking on the airwaves is now prosaic.
As we become desensitized to perceived evils, they become less offensive and are no longer perceived as evil. Hence, the amount of evil with which we must contend is actually lessened. But I trust that our society will hold fast to certain actions as universal evils. I hear swearing on TV and find myself swearing in class (just “shit”). But I see a murder on TV, I don’t become a killer. Even if an acted scene of torture doesn’t bother me, I still am upset to read about real tortures happening in the world right now. Torture, murder, and abuse are all essential evils.
I think boycotting porn or songs or movies is an erroneous struggle to deny the disagreeable aspects of individuals. Genuine acts of malice cause sorrow and rage in their victims. These strong emotions seek an outlet, and the true torturer, whether a private abuser or a public corporation, is rarely an easy target. The mere fact of porn can remind victims of their pain, triggering anger and resentment, and motivating action against the producers or actors. This vigorous altercation establishes a satisfying illusion of control over evil. But it’s just an illusion.
After Paul Bernardo murdered Kirsten French, her mother rallied to boycott all songs with violent content including Neil Young’s “Down By the River” because of a perceived harm to the community. The song’s crime was merely reminding Ms. French of a tragedy caused by Bernardo. Old Neil didn’t turn Bernardo bad.
I tend to prefer art that’s provocative. I want to see things that make me think or rile me up from time to time. We can surround ourselves with non-violent beauty, pretty pictures, but will they take us to the depth of understanding of anything? The depiction of a wrong in a piece of media ideally provokes a reaction to the violation; the visual or audio itself is without blame. Attacking the actors is a misdirection of anger towards evil in general, an evil which must be accepted as part of society and of ourselves.
One benefit of objectionable porn is that it starts arguments. It opens up issues, making difficult topics an acceptable part of our conversations, and therefore can help end a repressive society’s tactics of hiding abuses and corruption and of forcing people in pain to suffer in silence. Recently it has become much more acceptable to openly discuss abuses and violence and addictions that have existed for eons, but have been kept hidden. The act of making evils visible is difficult for many, but it is our only path to solace.
We should certainly do all we can to stop people who cause serious harm to others (and to ourselves), I’m a letter-writer myself, but we must accept that our capacity to control the evilness inherent to human nature is illusory. However, what we are capable of doing is offering fearless openness, compassion, empathy and kindness to those of us who have been harmed by evil forces in society. We cannot offer compassion if we refuse to acknowledge the quiet suffering present in our own communities. Controversial images can act as a stepping stone to open a forum for discussion, support and recovery. This free creative expression of evil allows each of us also to accept this part of ourselves without shame and thereby further connect with an authentic humanity.

13 comments:
Hi Sage!
This is something that I struggle with a bit. I think you're totally right, that porn is a manifestation of human whatever (desire, depravity, unequal power relations, misogyny etc.). And I don't think that doing away with porn will get rid of the root problem of human whatever. I'm a radical, after all - I believe it's not just the fruit of the tree that's rotten, it's the roots, and digging at those roots and picking out the infection is the only way to solve the problem of rotten fruit.
But, at the same time, I wonder about the effect porn might have on someone who just happens to view it. Like, I think about violence and the whole desensitization that happens when you're exposed to it a lot. Not that it means you're going to go out and commit acts of violence, but that you might not view a violent act in the same way because it's been normalized for you through repeated exposure. Your attitude toward violence has been modified. And isn't that bad too?
I used to be able to watch a lot of violence, and I didn't think it bothered me. I've never been violent in my life, so it's not like it made me do violent things. But lately, I can't watch very much violence at all. The images stay with me, haunt me, in ways that I am not at all comfortable with. Like, boy do I ever wish they would stop showing those ads on TV for that movie Grindhouse. And I couldn't watch the ads for The Hills Have Eyes at all - had to change the channel.
I guess what I'm saying, not very eloquently, is that I'm concerned with the effect that seeing violent images has on folks. I mean, I know that these are expressions of something that is already in human nature... but do we really need to reinforce that human whatever? And it's someone's vision - but is it the shared vision of everyone who watches? could it not be that someone watching might get a new idea from seeing something someone else dreamed up? Just some questions I've had lately thinking about this, and I thought it might be good to discuss with you!
There's many movies I wish I had never seen because the images are imbedded in my brain, and sometimes they creep up on me. The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover immediately comes to mine. And when I pass a car accident, I look the other way and turn the radio up so I don't hear anything either.
I think some people view violence and are sickened, and others view it and are enticed to action, and still others are fascinated but not in a real-world kind of way. And I think for the most part where we fit on that continuum is just in us from the word go. Well, the maximum extent of our tendency towards violence I think is preprogrammed much like the maximum intelligence or maximum height.
And I think, like the Nietzsche quotation at the beginning, that sometimes seeing the worst can actually take people to a greater depth of understanding of their own nature. I'm picturing Ricky Fitz from American Beauty going in closer to look at a dead homeless man or Janie's dad. Death is part of us too, and perhaps being told to look the other way all the time isn't the best bit of advice.
People whose violent tendencies can't be restrained through typical means (disapproval by caregivers, inner conscious), the Paul Bernardos of the world, they might learn a few tricks that they hadn't thought up before. But if all violent images in the world disappeared, I think they'd be just as violent, but perhaps less creative about it. I'd rather restrain the abusers than the media.
I mean, human being have been extraordinarily cruel long before mass media. In fact, I'd say far more so. We've divorced ourselves from real pain and suffering watching fake depictions of trauma, to the extent that it's generally acceptable to watch TV violence as long as it's not real. There's no more public hangings or beatings or fights to the death between prisoners.
And if someone in pornography is hurt beyond what they agreed to, then that's wrong in the same way that all workplace safety infringements are wrong. (Which is another reason not to ban porn - the less legal it is, the more safety of the workers is compromised.)
Does that address any of your questions??
I do think all media can be influential, so I sit with my kids to watch certain movies so I can guide them through my areas of concern. I'm actively teaching them critical thinking, instead of allowing them to be passive viewers. Kids who don't get this at home, get it at school later. It's true that some get missed, though, and do buy in to whatever they see. I'd rather discuss certain media than ban it.
I don't have any porn in the house (but I wouldn't even without kids here - it's just not my thing). I didn't have a TV at all when my older two kids were little because I didn't want them to see the millions of ads training them to be good consumers between Saturday morning cartoons.
But I wince when people blame media for their actions - any actions. This is the existentialist in me that says we have to take full responsibility for our actions. Authentic living is the difference between a General telling his soldiers that he has orders forcing them to charge and possible be killed, so they must; and the General telling his soldiers that he has chosen to follow orders forcing them to charge. Like my post way back here on make-up and shaving. It's a sign of a grown-up, to me, to say "smooth legs make me feel sexy", or "I prefer to go along with the dominant image than go against it" instead of saying, "I have no choice but to shave because of the pressures of the patriarchy".
Similarly "he abused me because of porn" is really letting the guy off the hook. And that's a shame.
(I think I'm at the limit of reasonable comment length here!)
Sage, I think that the common argument against what you are saying is that Porn (or some Porn) Gives Some - Permission - e.g. it "normalizes in the mind" to do things.
For example, the man who watches a woman bound and beaten, may be either "innocent" or "on the edge" of initiating actions On (not With) one or more partners and may hurt others through his actions.
Viewing Porn is such instances is said to give permission to people, particularly men. It is also presumed in such circumstances that the Perpetrators don't see the phoniness of what they are viewing, when it is phony and accept things as they see them.
In this vision of things the "perpetrators" as seen as Not basically communicating with Willing Partners and having consensual - mutually agreed upon and mutually pleasurable relations with each other.
I suspect that few would argue that either men who are basically exploitative and violent of others will necessarily be so affected or that viewers who have perspective and differentiate between "reality" and "porn" would do this.
At the same time victims stories have certainly told of how they were exposed to Porn with their partners and Then their partners imitated the Porn to hurt them.
You and I may also be seen as "people on the sidelines" who are not understanding of some of this, because we've not been victimized.
I remember seeing Not a Love Story in a movie theater when it came out circa 1981. For me (and others) it was a horrifying vision of how some people are hurt by some pornography. For the several men in a row next to me it Was an enjoyable porn flick.
I find these issues difficult! I appreciate your discussion of bringing the forbidden out in the open, rather than hiding it. I also appreciate you Not presuming things, but exploring and learning.
Thanks!
On porn giving permission to abuse - That just my point about taking responsibility for our own actions. The argument that porn give permission for men to harm women isn't significantly different from the argument that Neil Young's "Down By the River" gives people permission to shoot someone. Or if I see my friends stealing chocolate bars, it gives me permission to do it too because "everyone's doing it." If my kid got caught stealing, that excuse wouldn't fly with me for a minute.
If somebody harms a person and blames porn or any other media, than that person should definitely be locked up for longer than is typical for the crime because they're admitting that they haven't a mind of their own.
And I have been victimized, but I blame the guys involved for being assholes, not anything they might have seen or read or heard that may have given them greater creativity in their abuse.
Thanks for reading!
Sage, I think you're right. I have enjoyed violent media and violent games for most of my life. I can't imagine, though, that I could possibly get more upset by actual violence. I know people think that they're the same, and that "Desensitization" to one of them (honestly, I'm not even convinced it's desensitization personally) is desensitization to the other. But I can't imagine that. And I mean I actually can't imagine it. I can't read my mind around it. For a while, I thought maybe they were right, and for a while I sent felt unable to even think about particular things that always enjoyed. When I tried to fantasize about sex, thinking of SM made me think of real violence and that made me want to throw up. But thinking about vanilla sex still did little for me, so I basically could do nothing and had very little sexual desire for quite some time.
But I don't think that had any impact one way or the other on how I felt about actual violence. All it did was make me afraid of myself, fearful because I couldn't trust myself to tell the difference. When I finally chose to distance myself from those people, to embrace label "Sex positive" even though those sorts of people kept telling me it derided them, to allow myself the freedom to hang around people who have always understood me rather than feeling afraid of myself for being one of them, my desire came back, but I'm hard-pressed to think of any callousness toward real violence that developed when that happened.
And that's what upsets me so much about those points of view. This assumption that people are callous toward real violence, this assumption that people forget what real torture is when real torture is happening every day in our country. This assumption that people who use pornography don't know what rape is, when some of those are women who have been attacked. It sickens me.
I used to try to look for middle ground, but that meant hiding how sick it made me feel. How disgusting it is to not be trusted. How disgusting it is to have people talk to you as if you've never experienced trauma, as if you're a sparkle pony who has always been safe.
I don't understand why we look at people and decide who suffered and hasn't based on what their political views happen to be.
It's a sign of a grown-up, to me, to say "smooth legs make me feel sexy", or "I prefer to go along with the dominant image than go against it" instead of saying, "I have no choice but to shave because of the pressures of the patriarchy".
Similarly "he abused me because of porn" is really letting the guy off the hook. And that's a shame.
Word.
excellent post...
a little history for ya.
one of Ren's first jobs was as a member of the esteemed (not) cleaning staff at the county M.E.'s office...
I have well seen what the human animal is capable of inflicting upon its own kind, regardless of race, age or gender. Real, no-longer-live human bodies, dead in all sorts of ways, are as real as it gets. There is no fantasy there. Not an action movie, not CSI, not Six Feet Under. Real.
Humans have a dark side. All of us. And you have to find a constructive, or non-lethal way, to give it some airtime. Some people write. Some people work out. Some people watch full contact (violent) sports like boxing, football, or Ultimate Fighting. Some people have rough sex.
And some people find that darker side, sex wise, very compelling and erotic because it IS NOT socially acceptable or politically correct or nice or polite or pretty. Because life is not always any of those things. Often life is hard, brutal, ugly, and vicious. That's just the way life is. Rough porn is the anti romantic comedy. The anti chilvilrous hero and demure heroine. Rough sex, bdsm, and porn based off those things are huge outlets for a lot of people...and for as many who might be inspired to do bad things because of them...well, there are a lot of folks out here who without those sort of things used as a way to blow off steam and aggression and to feel really alive? Well, that aggression might go elsewhere.
A willing woman getting throat fucked until she vomits does not horrify me. I've done the same thing myself. A willing man getting tied up and ball tortured doesn't horrify me. Done that too. And a WHOLE lot of people can watch that sort of stuff, appreciate that it is not nice, yet still get off on it, without being criminals, because we all have a dark side.
The people who dive into theirs head long full time or never let it out and explode are the ones who put bodies in an M.E.'s office...but most of us, dark as we can be, are NOT them.
I fully agree with not blaming films, t.v., art, etc. for social ills, and with the arbitrariness of morality.
But with this:
Nietzsche, and later on Freud, asserted that instincts that do not discharge themselves outwardly turn inward and eventually erupt in harmful ways.
In the case of porn, I'd rather misogynist pornographers e.g. Joe Francis turn their aggression inward and fuck themselves up than externalize their assholism on the young women they're filming.
I don't believe porn causes any harm to the viewer. People can differentiate between fact and fiction; they aren't stupid. But what about the people in the films, and the question of their actual physical abuse/exploitation?
As some have commented, it is horrible when one person's darkside results in another person's suffering, but I don't see how the sex industry is exempt from this. I'd much rather the evil impulses be directed creatively into works of literature, art, media and so on like you suggested...
I'd much rather the evil impulses be directed creatively into works of literature, art, media and so on like you suggested...
For the ones doing the exploiting, I mean.
And if someone in pornography is hurt beyond what they agreed to, then that's wrong in the same way that all workplace safety infringements are wrong.
*blushes*
Sorry. I didn't read your comments in here. You can ignore the above posts.
I'm going to take the dissenting side here. While movies of people having sex may not be harmful (I don't think they are), I think of "mainstream" porn as a kind of hate speech.
Robert Jensen says it better: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/pornography&cruelty.htm
Oddly enough, my partner likes porn. Some of it anyway. I seem to be more sensitive to the misogyny than she is.
People who can write and recall literary quotes to back up thoughts amaze me. I am reminded daily that I need to enhance my literary knowledge.
The topic of porn amazes me. I am not the hard right that wants to remove porn from the face of the earth. I think that varios aspects of porn are healthy and can help foster relationships. However some types and aspects of porn are very damaging. I am married and want to stay that way. After being married ten years the newness has worn off for both of us. I enjoy watching beaufiful people engage in erotic activities. At this day and age, I would like to see more couples make it. If porn is an avenue that helps stale marriages great. However, porn appears to be a slippery slope. Some find porn addictive as drugs and alcohol. Too much of a good thing is harmful.
The most important aspects about porn are free will and accountability.
Free Will: Are the people engaging in porn there on their free will. Do the involved people understand the ramifications of being involved in hard porn, or violent porn. Are they of age to understand the magnitude of the decision to engage in pornagraphic materials. Are they prepared to deal with the society of both those who partake and those who want to abolish porn. If people are of an age and mind to engage in the pornographic activity on their own free will, who am I to judge.
Accountability. There are laws in place designed to make sure that someone engaging in pornographic activity does not violate another's pursuit of Liberty and Happiness. If someone were to violate one of my young girls in order to fulfull a pornagraphic fantasy, I would have a hard time not committing murder. People who target childern make me sick. This goes back to free will. Childern cannot possibly understand all the ramifications of their actions. I have things from my past I wish I had waited to do. I have deceions that I would have rather not made at a young age. If someone who is addicted to porn acts in a way to harm another, they need to be held accountable for their decisions and actions. If that means jail or the death penalty so be it.
Ren - thanx for adding your bit here.
Schemanista - I actually use that Jensen article in my classes (strongly edited) when we debate this stuff. He makes a compelling argument.
But I think the stance that in porn a woman is just three holes and two hands is like arguing that plumbers are just a set of pipewrenches. We use plumbers for a service without seeing them as real people.
And I think it possible that people can watch porn and NOT think on it all day at work.
It's possible that they do, sure. But I could be thinking of the guy tied up with eyes focused forward in "Clockwork Orange" while I teach an inattentive bunch of students. I can think it without allowing it to affect how I approach them. And without watching porn, I could be thinking sexual thoughts as I teach. There's really not much we can do to control what people are thinking about when they are interacting with us. All we can do is make sure there are strong laws in place stopping them from acting out any harmful ideas they may have.
dubomac - I can't actually recall anything, so I spend painstaking amounts of time searching for that one phrase I remember reading years ago. Which is why I don't write as frequently as I'd like to!!
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